After my kitchen was featured in Better Homes & Gardens, there were a few new people who came over and asked how I covered the old hardware holes that were in the center of my cabinets. From contributor M: Do you drill the 35mm cup holes before or after applying the finish? For that reason I bore after finishing. When it comes to painting before or after the installation, it’s really a chicken or the egg situation. Of course after the finish goes on I could see myself re-drilling the holes, because they tend to get all filled up by the sealer and filler. First order of business was off to the hardware store for some wood filler. I didn’t realize that when I was flying by the stick of my broom planned out my posts. I have a small project during which I drill hundreds of little holes (the largest of which is 1/8 in.). Fortunately, filling in nail holes in trim is a simple process. Nail holes in exterior surfaces, just as with cracks or gaps, can be dealt with using a good caulking. Drilling Holes for Cabinet Pulls Now I just had to find the center on each drawer. I think the Inserta hinges hold better than the press-in dowels, but I just can't wrap my head around the cost. Before I had the Minipress I bored before finish using a drill press. For help with setups and other technical issues. Before the deglosser evaporates, quickly wipe away the residue with another clean, deglosser-dampened rag. The existing hardware will just get in the way when filling holes on your cabinets. I wasn't as impressed with the Salice soft close version, but I'm kind of finicky about how things work. If you don't have any scraps of pegboard, you can fashion a jig out of a piece of 1/2" or 1/4" plywood and drill a hole in it slightly larger than the hole required for the mounting screw. After the first coating of the joint compound has dried off, sand the holes using a 220-grit sandpaper. Before I had the Minipress I bored before finish using a drill press. Test Fil-Stik on inside of cabinet door. My dad was working on a Partscaster once and forgot to do that... the front of that guitar is now really ka-f**ked up. This […] I wet sand with mineral spirits so swelling is a non-issue. Using a drill, sockets are made in the concrete where the posts can be securely cemented. by Jazzprod » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:17 pm, Post I use brad point bits for drilling holes. The holes will be fine. Holes If the shell needs any holes drilling (for mirrors, wings, antenna tube, etc), carefully drill those now, using a block of wood to support the body. The majority of cabinet knobs are packaged with #8 machine screws, which measure 0.16 inch, or roughly 5/32 inch, in diameter. I learned the hard way what not to do when painting doors and hardware. A … I lightly filled all my holes on my Jag on purpose before I refinished it. Mark and pre-drill your holes carefully. by Stereordinary » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:46 pm, Post Repeat the process of applying a second coating and sanding it after. Holes in wood trim are best filled with wood filler. For the final Drawer and door pulls add a decorative value to your cabinetry and have a lot to do with the overall look of your room. If you drill after, and the paint is cured. Use Naptha to wetsand, never water. I'd like to paint after assembly and before installing the cases to the wall, so if I drill after paint, access to the holes will be limited. Typically, I have always started with this process, then added ornamental carvings/burnings, then done my routering, and finally, my finishing stain/varnish. Best to buy ready mixed and should cost you pennies EDIT Some fillers take only a short time to dry but would suggest at least 12 hours 24 better. I've heard the Blum works a lot better. So I stick with the press-in. Should I drill the holes for the floating shelves before assembly or after painting? I figure that if I drill before paint, the paint will change the dimensions of the holes. I drill holes before finishing and open them back up with toothpicks after spraying. It was totally worth the work. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. While I think I could have made the doors, I don’t think it would have been a good investment of my time and I don’t think the end result would have been as nice. After making our own cabinets carcasses for the flip house kitchen it was time to order the doors and drawer fronts, get them painted and installed. It's best to fill pround then sand down before papering , lining or painting. by the older brother » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:13 pm, Post Use a rag or sponge to wipe off the sand dust. (The filler I have on hand always seems to dry out and How to Fill Nail Holes in Trim. I tend to drill the holes for the pickguard before finishing just to make sure I get the pickguard on there dead straight. Take the time before you apply any paint on your next project to fill all of the gaps, cracks, and nail holes. So I'm using them as reference points really. On Monday, it was how to restore your hardware in five minutes and today its how to cover old hardware holes. I just used the Salice version of Inserta with and without soft close on my last two kitchens. You really really really want to drill your new holes before you paint. Use Naptha to wetsand, never water. If you mess up, you can fill them in The secret to filling in the hardware holes seamlessly is is to completely fill the hole with 2 or 3 applications of filler. Forum Responses Doesn't make sense to me (and my operation) to put all the doors on the Minipress to bore, then finish, then back to the Minipress to press in hinges. by painted wood » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:20 am, Post If you drill before, and don't load up the paint, the holes should remain relatively clean. The brand new one I located everything on the body and then used one of thise spring loaded punches that carpenters / metal workers use to mark a dent/very shallow hole where the screw holes will be. I definitely would go after the paint -- but you have to be careful with that -- make sure you protect the finish on the other side of the guitar -- like, drill on a couple towels or something. January 19, 2011, KnowledgeBase: Cabinetmaking: Cabinet Door Construction. A couple were difficult to spot after a few coats so I marked them with nail, but not deep enough to go through the finish. Let’s just take a look at the after before the tutorial… because we can… by Franco » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:39 pm, Post ......below the apes above the angels..... Masking tape on the work surface prevents flaking, spelching, etc leaving a clean hole. Even though my project was successful, several things went wrong. The pegboard and the wood backer protect the surface. Step 4 Fill the Holes Photo by Brian Wilder If you're relocating the hardware, fill When i tried to drill holes in a chrome bumper, I used special metal cutting bits and cutting oil. Or by MrWizard44 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:09 pm, Post Nail holes can ruin the appearance of trim on a wall. I drill all my holes first, then paint/clear, then gently clean the clear from the holes with a slightly larger bit than used to make the holes. Do you drill the 35mm cup holes before or after applying the finish? How to Drill for Door & Drawer Pulls. After experimenting with several different methods and products, this is how I currently fill old hardware holes for the best results: Fill all the old holes with wood filler, let dry and sand. Question How to Make New Holes for Hardware With your old holes filled, now is a great time to drill new holes for the new hardware. Forum Responses (Cabinetmaking Forum) From contributor M: After with a Blum Minipress. Before putting your new handle in place, fill any holes left by old hardware with wood putty, and paint that area. Obviously, plugging them is a large labor requirement. Someone knows where I can find the nearest woodchipper to throw my pieces of junk into? Because wood filler can (and does) shrink as it dries, apply a second coat of wood filler, if … by the older brother » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:17 pm. After wet sanding is done, I cleanup with naphtha and use a toothpick to again open up Even a good brad point bit should give a very clean hole. Use a 3/16-inch bit to drill the hole. (Cabinetmaking Forum) The screw should fit through the hole without binding. This method requires a core drill or hammer drill with about a 3/8” bit. Make sure your clean out bit is brand new! Orange looking oak cabinets, no hardware, dark paint, white sink, shiny faucet… it was all bad. And if the holes are drilled before, there's a risk the wood will rise around the holes when you wet sand the finish if they're not filled with laquer. Talk about the Fender Jazzmaster, Jaguar, and any other offset waist guitars with us! Drill Installation Method. I really liked using that style of hinge more than I thought I would - just so much easier to pop them in and out. After with a Blum Minipress. by Regan » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:59 pm, Post Hold a rag underneath to catch drips. Especially when dealing with vintage and antique furniture. This might be a speed and pressure problem. I drill first. IMHO it will be cleaner if you drill the holes after paint. Because I want the pulls centered in the drawers and the holes are 1/2″ lower than center, I made sure to mark “TOP” on each drawer as a future, quick look reference. Additional tips for drilling your own cabinet hardware Always use a new, sharp drill bit and do not push hard when drilling your doors and drawer fronts. The holes will be fine. Drilling a new body shell - before or after painting? If you want the most professional looking results, this is the method for you. When the body came back after painting the holes/dents could just be seen and allowed an easy starting point for my battery powered hand drill. I couldn't penetrate the chrome. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. . We're looking to refinish that body now... *sigh*. I drill first. The pegboard and the wood backer protect the surface. I remember the pros telling me on the reranch site to always test fit everything before painting. So gone are the daunting days of “what-if’ing” on myself… at least when it comes to repositioning furniture hardware and filling in holes! He writes: In the past when I’ve built bookshelves and entertainment centers I drill all of the holes for the shelf pins before I assemble the whole piece. Attach the new handles with screws. Post The best plan is to paint & stain after all cuts and pocket holes are made. by the older brother » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:12 pm, Post Check your drill bit is'nt blunt as well. relaxing alternative to doing actual work ... That's a really a great way doing it Sook. This allows you to sand any tear out in the pocket hole area (it happens a lot) without messing up all the time you took to make it look nice. I actually left the filler in the holes a little low so I could see where they are. Sure you can use wood filler to fill the old holes and then drill new ones exactly where you want them. It also doesn't matter that much (with this setup) if you drill before or after finishing. by Jazzprod » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:54 pm, Post However, after finishing the piece with polyurethane the holes get filled with finish and I end up re-drilling them all. If you’re not sure about the color of Fil-Stik to use, we would recommend getting 2 or more color options to test. I know my limitations and I am okay with that. Once you drill your first holes, then you can line up the template. For concrete, I couldn't penetrate more than 3/4" into This week’s question comes from Avraham. So now I had to fill in the old cabinet holes and drill new ones to match the holes on the other doors. by sookwinder » Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:09 pm, Post Dust Collection, Safety and Plant Operation, Job Opportunities and Woodworking Services, A close vote, with comments, on when to bore doors for hinges. I remember the pros telling me on the reranch site to always test fit everything before painting. 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